BEMER – Mirakelmadrass som botar (allt?)

Konversation med en amerikansk återförsäljare

Hittade ett intressant blogginlägg som behandlade Bemer. Läs hela inlägget på: http://skepticdetective.wordpress.com/2010/08/27/bemer-me-up-scotty/

Initial kommentar som jag kommenterade på:

3 december 2012

Myriam:

If you did not try it for yourself you are not in a position to give valid comment. Whilst I agree the website does not provide real outside information I can assure you Bemer works. When I first was introduced to Bemer, I really thought it was all false marketing stuff. I had to revise my opinion after using it for a couple of weeks. And after a year, decided I want the world to know and try. No more backaches, no more sleeping tablets, no more depression…

A client, medical practioner, is convinced Bemer is a godsend for many diseases and chronic pain where traditional medicine has not been effective at all. I have 2 diabetic clients whose hyperglycemia goes down dramatically after treatment (2 times 8 minutes per day) – do you call that anecdotal? Or does placebo make sugar levels go dow in the blood?.

How about an earinfection disappearing withing 2 hours of using the intensive applicator?

Like someone else said on this forum, people who are determined not to believe will never believe no matter how many stories they hear.

3 december 2012

Mitt svar:

Of course it is anecdotal. What you are describing above is the very definition of anecdotal. You are telling me about something that I have NO chance of verifying. Just like the people from Bemer. Even the “best” studies that I’ve got from the Bemer Group themselves says that: If we’re completely honest the participants in the study aren’t satisfied with the treatment. (Roughly translated from German.)

This you can actually look up. I provided the link on my website.

And I have tried it myself. The only effect is that I got kind of sweaty from lying on a mattress with clothes on. This is however irrelevant to the fact if Bemer works or not.

And to comment on your comment:
“Like someone else said on this forum, people who are determined not to believe will never believe no matter how many stories they hear.”
- Why should they? Why should they “believe” just from hearing anecdotal stories? That is studid. Do you for example believe all the alien abductees stories?

Bemer claims they have studies that supports their claims. I have been asking for months for 1 study that shows any (not placebo) result. All they have sent me are either irrelevant or show results that at best has a correlation but doesn’t show a causation with Bemer.

8 december 2012

Myriam:

J Altern Complement Med. 2009 May;15(5):507-11.
Effect of BEMER magnetic field therapy on the level of fatigue in patients with multiple sclerosis: a randomized, double-blind controlled trial.
Piatkowski J, Kern S, Ziemssen T.
Source

Neurological Outpatient Center Reichenbachstrasse, Dresden, Germany.
Abstract
OBJECTIVES:

Electromagnetic field therapy has been reported to be beneficial in patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) with significant fatigue. This study was designed to evaluate the long-term effects of Bio-Electro-Magnetic-Energy-Regulation (BEMER) on MS-related fatigue.
DESIGN:

This was a monocenter, patient- and rater-blinded, placebo-controlled trial.
PATIENTS:

There were 37 relapsing-remitting patients with MS with significant fatigue in the study.
INTERVENTION:

The intervention consisted of BEMER magnetic field treatment for 8 minutes twice daily in comparison to placebo for 12 weeks.
OUTCOME MEASURES:

The primary outcome criterion was change in the Modified Fatigue Impact Scale (MFIS) between baseline and 12 weeks. The secondary outcome criteria were changes of the Fatigue Severity Scale (FSS), a general depression scale-long version (ADS-L), Multiple Sclerosis Functional Scale (MSFC), and the Expanded Disability Status Scale (EDSS).
RESULTS:

There was evidence of a significant difference of MFIS value (primary outcome criterion) after 12 weeks in favor of the verum group (26.84 versus 36.67; p = 0.024). In addition, FSS values were significantly lower in the verum group after 12 weeks (3.5 versus 4.7; p = 0.016). After 6 weeks’ follow-up, verum and placebo groups did not differ in experienced fatigue (MFIS, FSS). Regarding the subscales of the MFIS, there was a significant decrease in physical (p = 0.018) and cognitive (p = 0.041), but not in psychologic subscales only in the verum group regarding the timepoints baseline and 12 weeks. BEMER therapy was well tolerated.
DISCUSSION:

In this pilot study, we were able to demonstrate a beneficial effect of BEMER intervention on MS fatigue. As this was only a pilot study, trials with more patients and longer duration are mandatory to describe long-term effects.

PMID:
19422286
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Electromagnetic-field therapy has beneficial short-term effects in multiple sclerosis (MS) patients with major fatigue, but long-term data are lacking. PRIMARY STUDY OBJECTIVES: To evaluate the long-term effects of a specific electromagnetic therapy device (Bio-Electromagnetic- Energy-Regulation [BEMER]) on MS-related fatigue, we designed a crossover control of a previously performed randomized controlled trial and a long-term open-label follow-up trial.
DESIGN AND SETTING:

Crossover and open-label follow-up trials at a single neurological outpatient center.
PARTICIPANTS:

Patients with relapsing-remitting MS who had major fatigue (N = 37 patients).
INTERVENTION:

After a previous randomized controlled trial (exposure to low-frequency pulsed magnetic fields for 8 min twice daily or to placebo treatment for 12 wk), a crossover from control to treatment for another 12 weeks, followed by an open label follow-up trial to 3 years, were done.
PRIMARY OUTCOME MEASURES:

The outcome criteria were the Modified Fatigue Impact Scale (MFIS), Fatigue Severity Scale (FSS), German long version of the Center for Epidemiologic Studies Depression Scale (CES-D), Multiple Sclerosis Functional Scale (MSFC), and Expanded Disability Status Scale (EDSS).
RESULTS:

Patients previously on placebo during the randomized controlled trial experienced significant reductions in fatigue after crossing over to treatment. The MFIS and FSS scores were significantly lower in the open-label group than in the control subjects after follow-up. Participation in the open-label treatment was the strongest predictor of low fatigue outcome after followup. Electromagnetic-field therapy was well tolerated.
CONCLUSIONS:

In this long-term study, a beneficial effect of long-term BEMER therapy on MS fatigue was demonstrated. Electromagnetic-field therapy may be a useful therapeutic modality in MS patients with severe fatigue.

PMID:
22314716
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


10 december 2012

Mitt svar:

Yes. Thank you. These are the type of studies that would qualify as an argument.

However!

This specific study (PMID: 19422286) only points towards a better placebo-effect (where the patients gets to evaluate themselves). I'm completely satisfied to admit that Bemer has an Placebo-effect. This isn't the problem. The problem is that Bemer Group (and its retailers) are marketing the product as a cure-all-without-any-side-effects and recommends it as the best treatment on the market. I have also read statements on retailers websites where they suggest to their "patients" to use this instead of going to their doctors. THIS is what I am upset about.

Having amateurs thinking they know more than the doctors about what is best for someone elses body, all the while being unable to explain and understand how their product really works.

I look forward towards the studies on cancer that you also mentioned. That could be very interesting.

Contrary to what many of the commentators here think. I would be really happy if Bemer worked as a treatment to as many diseases as possible, but until they can produce any actual evidence I will continue to nag about it.

(Oh and I also would like a clear list to what diseases Bemer is recommended for.)

10 december 2012

Svar från MyMy:

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Bemer does not cure any disease! I makes the body do its own job through microcirculation! Please find herewith a list of the pathologies which have been successfully treated, and were either cured or symptoms reduced in the case of incurable diseases such as diabetes, multiple sclerosis.

I could go on but reiterate that it is the activated and improved microcirculation which makes the body regenerate and heal better it is not the machine as such.

If you like I will keep you informed as I hear of more studies being published.

10 december 2012

Svar till MyMy:

Yes mymy it has been my understanding also, after many conversations with Bemer group, that: "it is the activated and improved microcirculation which makes the body regenerate and heal better it is not the machine as such."

But would you agree that that isn't the tone set by many of the commentators in this forum for example? And many of the recommended treatments that you listed can also be explained by the Placebo-effect. Right?

As I said before, I don't have a problem with Bemer as a placebo-effect, (Personally I'm not a big fan of placebos, but that is a different discussion.) but that isn't how Bemer is presented.

In a perfect world we would have a guy with 2 broken arms. One arm would have a Bemer effect applied on it and the other no external effect.

Oh, and yes please. If you'd be so kind I would love to recieve any studies that you have in the future.

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